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One of the better GG group pics. I forget who drew this

After the last post, I figured that I’d also put up the tier lists for the older Guilty Gear games in one place too.  Taken from the JP GG wiki, I actually remember most of these when they first came out.

Guilty Gear X
S+: Millia
S: Johnny
A: Jam Dizzy Sol
B: Chipp Venom Zato May Faust Baiken Anji
C: Ky Axl Testament Potemkin

I didn’t follow GGX very closely, but this is pretty different than the list I remember seeing from back then.  I remember Johnny, Millia, and Dizzy sharing S tier in the past, and Zato getting ranked really high.  It also surprises me to see Sol in A, since I felt he was a fairly average character in this game.

Guilty Gear XX
S: Eddie Slayer Millia Faust
A: Sol Axl Johnny Bridget Venom I-No
B: Dizzy Chipp Baiken Potemkin
C: Ky Jam Testament May
D: Anji Zappa

The main thing I remember from XX was the big 4 characters.  Common opinion back then was that Eddie beat everybody, and then Slayer/Millia/Faust would all kind of counterpick each other.  Slayer would beat Millia but lose to Faust, Millia would beat Faust but lose to Slayer, and Faust would beat Slayer and lose to Millia.

Guilty Gear XX #Reload
S+: Eddie
S: Jam Millia Robo Slayer
A: Sol Faust Dizzy Bridget
B: Ky Axl Johnny Venom Baiken
C: May Potemkin Testament I-No
D: Chipp Anji Zappa

GGXX#R is a game I remember very well, and that game had some hilarious metagame shifts.  I recall at one point the accepted tier list went all the way down to G tier.  Robo and Slayer dominated the early months of the game, but they started dropping once people got better at fighting against them.  #R was a big breakthrough for the GG series, as it was the first time where the game began to have some semblance of balance.  You started to see character specialists and people doing amazing things with the weaker characters.  It’s not a surprise that it lasted a good two years before the arrival of Slash.

Guilty Gear XX Slash
There are numerous lists for this game.  The most recent was in Tougeki Tamashi Vol. 3, where there were 2 lists from the Kanto and Kansai regions.

Kanto list
S: Ky
A: Sol Baiken Faust Anji Jam
B: Millia Axl Potemkin Testament A.B.A Johnny May Chipp Slayer Bridget
C: Eddie Venom Dizzy Zappa I-No Order-Sol
D: Robo

Kansai list
S: Ky
A: Sol Baiken Faust Chipp Bridget
B: Millia Axl Potemkin Testament A.B.A Johnny Anji I-No
C: Eddie Venom Dizzy Zappa May Jam Slayer
D: Robo Order-Sol

There was also a slightly older tier list in Tougeki Tamashi Vol. 2
S: Ky
A: Sol Potemkin Testament Faust Anji
B: Millia Chipp Axl Baiken Johnny Jam Slayer I-No A.B.A
C: May Eddie Venom Bridget
D: Dizzy Robo Zappa Order-Sol

Slash is another game I remember very well.  Ky and Sol were pretty much undisputed top tier, and Anji was really silly too.  Slash is the most radically different game in the series in terms of balance.  Millia, who was consistently strong for the three previous iterations of the game, and Eddie and Slayer who completely dominated the previous two games, were all ranked much lower in this game.  Some people think that Slash is the most balanced Guilty Gear game, and it’s pretty easy to understand where that’s coming from when you see that 3 of the most consistently dominating characters from the previous 2 games were weakened.  But it doesn’t account for the gap between the tiers.  Bottom tier in Slash is like, much worse than bottom in #R and Accent Core.  These characters are pretty much unplayable.

Anyway, I hope this retrospective has been helpful to people.  From the lists you can kind of see which characters have been favored throughout the game’s history.  It could be a result of the game designers’ preferences or the characters just meshing well with the GG system.

GG characters in high school

Guilty Gear XX Accent Core came out in 2007, and the metagame has been constantly shifting and it doesn’t show any signs of stopping soon.  One method of observing a fighting game’s metagame is in its tier list, so I wanted to compile the most recent “official” tier lists and matchup info all in one place.  Goldenrody may make a separate page for this in the future, but for now everything will be in this post.

First off, all of the most recent GG tier lists were made in 2010.  If you remember, 2010 was also the last year that Guilty Gear was in Tougeki, so it kind of explains why it’s also the last year that people cared enough to discuss this kind of stuff.  We’ll start with the list that the majority of the Japanese GGXX BBS agrees upon.  It’s also listed in the official JP GG wiki as well:

SS: Eddie Testament
S: Slayer Millia Potemkin
A: Jam May Baiken
B: Venom Axl A.B.A Order-Sol Robo Zappa Faust
C: Ky Chipp Anji Dizzy I-No Sol
D: Johnny Bridget

If you can read Japanese, the GG wiki page I linked earlier also has detailed explanations for the character’s strengths and weaknesses, as well as the reason why they were placed in their respective ranks.  It also talks about the metagame as well, which is pretty interesting.
-Millia’s ranking is pretty controversial apparently.  Starting from 2010 many people began to rank her very highly, even above Slayer.
-There’s also a note for Zappa and Millia, which states that both characters are very strong but extremely unstable.  Because Accent Core is a very high damage game with the potential for big momentum swings, one mistake can change everything for them.  If they’re played flawlessly or played by a very good player, their ranking can go up.*
*Personally, I think this last note is unnecessary because tier lists assume that every character is being played at their full potential anyway.

The other major tier list is the one that most English speakers have seen by now.  It was featured in the April 2010 issue of Arcadia.
S: Eddie Testament
A: Millia
B: May Potemkin Jam Slayer
C: Sol Ky Chipp Faust Baiken Axl Anji Venom Dizzy I-No Zappa Robo A.B.A Order-Sol
D: Johnny, Bridget

So these are the two most recent lists for Accent Core.  There are numerous other (older) tier lists, but I feel that they’re largely irrelevant by now because GG is a constantly changing game.  2010 GG is a very different beast from 2008 GG, for example.  I feel that the metagame went through a big transformation starting from the middle of 2009, with things like Eddie getting ranked higher than Testament, players like Mitsurugi and Chonari really unlocking the potential of Zappa, players like Samitto and Susumu doing the same thing for Chipp, and countless others.  Sometimes, it takes some really strong players to truly develop a character.

As a side note, I agree much more with the 1st list than the 2nd one.  Call me biased(since I’m a Millia player),  but I absolutely cannot agree with ranking Millia above Slayer.  I can see how the relative rankings of Millia with May, Potemkin, and Jam can be debated, but Slayer is just so much more solid than her.

If you’re still curious about looking at the older tier lists, the Dustloop thread on this topic has everything you need.  It also has translations of an old thread on the JP BBS that broke down every character with their strengths, weaknesses, damage potential, matchups, etc.  Lots of good info there.

Moving off of tier lists and now on to matchups.  Unfortunately, there was only one matchup chart made for this game and it’s way outdated by now.  However, there were matchup lists created for individual characters by top Japanese players!  I’ll list them in chronological order:

Ogawa’s matchup list for Eddie(featured in July 2009 issue of Arcadia)
6:4 – Sol, Ky, May, Millia, Chipp, Faust, Baiken, Axl, Venom, Testament, Slayer, I-No, Bridget, Robo, Anji, Jam
6.5:3.5 – Zappa, Dizzy
7:3 – Potemkin, Johnny, A.B.A, Order-Sol

Nemo’s matchup list for Testament(featured in July 2009 issue of Arcadia)
4.5:5.5 – Eddie
5:5 – Venom
5.5:4.5 – Sol, Millia, Anji, I-No, Bridget, A.B.A, Dizzy, Order-Sol
6:4 – Ky, May, Chipp, Faust, Baiken, Jam, Axl, Slayer, Robo
7:3 – Potemkin, Johnny
8:2 – Zappa

Koichi’s matchup list for Millia(featured in June 2010 issue of Arcadia)
Easy win: Axl, I-No, A.B.A
Advantage: Ky, May, Potemkin, Johnny, Anji, Venom, Dizzy, Slayer, Bridget, Robo
Even: Sol, Faust, Jam, Zappa, Order-Sol
Disadvantage: Baiken, Chipp, Testament, Eddie
Impossible: Ogawa and Isa’s Eddie(lol)

Inoue/Kazunoko’s matchup list for Order-Sol(featured in June 2010 issue of Arcadia)
Easy win: Robo
Advantage: Sol
Even: Ky, Millia, Chipp, Jam, I-No
Disadvantage: May, Baiken, Faust, Potemkin, Axl, Johnny, Anji, Testament, Dizzy, Zappa, Slayer, Bridget, A.B.A
Impossible: Eddie, Venom

FAB’s matchup list for Potemkin(featured in October 2010 issue of Arcadia)
Easy win: Johnny, Robo, Slayer
Advantage: Axl, Sol, I-No, A.B.A, May, Anji, Order-Sol, Zappa*, Baiken, Chipp
Even: Jam, Ky
Disadvantage: Testament, Millia, Dizzy, Faust, Venom, Bridget
Impossible: Eddie
*FAB notes that the matchup could also be even, depending on what summon Zappa currently has out.

RF’s matchup list for Faust(featured in October 2010 issue of Arcadia)
Easy win: Johnny, Dizzy
Advantage: Axl, I-No, A.B.A, Ky, Potemkin, Bridget, Sol
Even: Order-Sol
Disadvantage: Slayer, Robo, May, Venom, Anji, Jam, Zappa, Baiken, Chipp, Eddie, Testament
Impossible: Millia

If you were watching Sp00ky’s stream for Season’s Beatings: Velocity this weekend, you may have caught the premiere of this amazing combo video right after the end of SSFIV AE grand finals.  Produced by everyone’s favorite combo video maker Maj and edited by Keiko, this 6 minute video shows off some hilarious 100% combos in fighting games from all over.  But the reason I’m posting about it is in the choice of background music: it’s “The Irony of Chaste” from Guilty Gear XX Isuka, also known as the name of my site!

Inspiration?

So, I know from Statcounter that my old site wasn’t very popular, but apparently it was enough to inspire someone else!  Project Rufus is a fansite for that character in Street Fighter IV made by a German player.  It seems like he followed the basic structure of my site and added his own personal touch to it.  Interestingly enough he’s also using my old graphics heavy WP theme, Mystique.  Man, I love that theme, but it has problems on older computers.  I wonder how you get from Millia to Rufus, though.  Those two have nothing in common!

Even if his site isn’t complete and hasn’t gotten an update since January, I am happy to have been able to serve as an inspiration to somebody.  Thanks for making my day!

Hello, this is my first post here.  I am pleased to announce that my Millia fansite The Irony of Chaste has finally been moved over 100%!

I suppose I should explain what happened.  The Irony of Chaste was originally hosted by HostWQ at millia.hostwq.net.  HostWQ was one of those rare free hosting services with an impressive array of features like FTP access, mySQL support and cpanel support.  However, it had its fair share of problems: the most prominent being that it was very slow.  This was a bit of a problem with my old site because the Mystique theme I used was pretty graphics heavy.  But in the end, I can’t really complain because it was free hosting.

Since this was free hosting with some great features, I was always suspicious about HostWQ from the very beginning.  A quick google search revealed that they were just a Byethost clone, and I noticed that the customer support link on their main page never worked.  And ever since the beginning of 2011 I had a feeling something was going to happen, because their main page started giving an error message, redirecting to Byethost.  So I quickly backed up the entire contents of the site and…  sure enough, about a month later HostWQ took down my site along with itself without even a notification.

After this, it was just impossible for me to find another good free hosting service that offered FTP access and mySQL databases.  I considered moving to WordPress.com, but they don’t support iframes, which I need for embedding Nico vids.  They can also be touchy with NSFW content.  Luckily for me Goldenrody noticed my predicament and offered to help host my site.  Who would have expected that he would be a Millia player too?  I guess it is the bond that us Millia players share.

So The Irony of Chaste has been fully integrated, but I’ve made some changes to some of my sections.  Specifically, the Millia match video sections now have plain Youtube links instead of embeds.  Embeds are cool, but they proved to be problematic on the old site when there were too many of them.  The old Woshige match videos page for GGXX AC had over 30 embedded Youtube videos, which took forever to load and significantly slowed down the browser.

But anyway, I guess I’ve rambled too much for a first post here.  I hope everyone enjoys The Irony of Chaste!